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I think the total needs to be 128 bits, so I need to confirm each segment correctly.</p>\n<p><strong>Understanding UUIDv7 structure</strong></p>\n<p>I've figured out the common structure for UUIDv7, which includes a 48-bit Unix timestamp, a 4-bit version, a 12-bit random segment, a 2-bit variant, and a 62-bit additional random part—totally 128 bits. The random bits sum up to 74 bits per UUID. I'm considering whether these bits are independent within the same millisecond. A collision can only happen if they share the same timestamp, making collisions between different milliseconds impossible. So, the collisions can only occur within the same millisecond.</p>\n<p><strong>Calculating UUID collision probability</strong></p>\n<p>In each burst, generating 10,000 UUIDs means they share the same 48-bit timestamp. Now, to assess collision probability, I need to compute if there’s at least one collision among those 10,000 independent UUIDs, drawn from a space of size 2^74.</p>\n<p>The random bits total is 74, creating a sample size of 2^74 possibilities. Although the UUIDv7 guidance suggests using a monotonic counter to prevent duplicates, I’m leaning toward calculating the probability assuming random independent generation.</p>\n<p><strong>Estimating collision probability</strong></p>\n<p>Generating 10,000 UUIDs per millisecond is indeed high, but when compared to 2^74 possibilities, the chance of collisions remains extremely low. I can use the birthday bound to approximate the probability of at least one collision. For 10,000 draws from this vast space, the approximate probability is p_ms ≈ n(n-1)/(2N), where n is 10,000 and N is about 1.89e22.</p>\n<p>Calculating, I find p per millisecond is about 2.65e-15. Now, with 100 bursts generated per second over three years, I can determine how many bursts that involves!</p>\n<p><strong>Calculating UUID collision likelihood</strong></p>\n<p>Each burst generates 10,000 UUIDs in 1 ms, leading to 100 bursts per second and about 8.64 million bursts each day. Over three years, there are roughly 9.47 billion bursts. The probability of at least one collision per burst is p_b ≈ 2.65e-15, which results in a cumulative probability of about 0.0025% (roughly 1 in 40,000) across many bursts. Since timestamps differ by 10 ms, collisions can't happen between bursts, confirming that our calculations are solid and focused on single-millisecond collisions.</p>\n<p><strong>Summarizing collision probability</strong></p>\n<p>There's about a 0.0025% chance (approximately 1 in 40,000) of at least one collision over three years, assuming independent and uniformly random 74-bit entropy, with all 10,000 UUIDs generated within the same millisecond.</p>\n<ul>\n<li>UUIDv7 has 74 random bits; collisions only occur within the same millisecond.</li>\n<li>Using the birthday approximation formula, per burst probability p ≈ 2.65e-15.</li>\n<li>Total bursts in 3 years: 9.467e9.</li>\n<li>Overall probability = 1 - (1 - p)^B ≈ Bp ≈ 2.5e-5.</li>\n</ul>\n<p>If UUIDs are generated with monotonic sequences, collision probability can be nearly zero.</p>\n</details>\n<p>Short answer: About 0.0025% (≈1 in 40,000) chance of at least one collision over three years, under typical assumptions.</p>\n<p>Why:</p>\n<ul>\n<li>UUIDv7 structure:\n<ul>\n<li>48-bit Unix millisecond timestamp + fixed version/variant bits.</li>\n<li>74 random bits per UUID within a given millisecond.</li>\n<li>Collisions can only happen among UUIDs created in the same millisecond; different milliseconds cannot collide.</li>\n</ul>\n</li>\n<li>In each burst you create n = 10,000 UUIDs within one millisecond. The sample space size is N = 2^74 ≈ 1.889×10^22.</li>\n<li>Birthday approximation for a single burst:\n<ul>\n<li>p_burst ≈ 1 − exp(−n(n−1)/(2N)) ≈ n(n−1)/(2N)</li>\n<li>p_burst ≈ 49,995,000 / 2^74 ≈ 2.65×10^−15</li>\n</ul>\n</li>\n<li>Number of bursts over 3 years:\n<ul>\n<li>One burst every 10 ms → 100 bursts/s</li>\n<li>3 years ≈ 94,670,856 s → B ≈ 9.467×10^9 bursts</li>\n</ul>\n</li>\n<li>Overall probability of ≥1 collision over 3 years:\n<ul>\n<li>P_any ≈ 1 − (1 − p_burst)^B ≈ B · p_burst</li>\n<li>P_any ≈ 9.467×10^9 × 2.65×10^−15 ≈ 2.5×10^−5 (0.0025%), about 1 in 40,000.</li>\n</ul>\n</li>\n</ul>\n<p>Notes:</p>\n<ul>\n<li>Some implementations use a monotonic sequence within the same millisecond (across the 74 random bits). If done correctly, this makes intra-ms collisions effectively impossible at your rate.</li>\n<li>If an implementation only uses a 12-bit sub-millisecond counter (4096 values) without spilling into the rest of the random field or waiting for the next millisecond, generating 10,000 in a single millisecond would overflow that counter—good libraries avoid this by incrementing across the full 74-bit space or throttling.</li>\n</ul>","md":"<details><summary>Thinking</summary>\n\n**Computing UUIDv7 collision probability**\n\nI need to calculate the probability of a collision for UUIDv7, which involves some specifics like the generation pattern of 10,000 UUIDv7s every millisecond for three years. First, I need to understand the UUIDv7 structure per RFC 9562. It's time-ordered and uses a 48-bit Unix millisecond timestamp, a version nibble of four bits, and a few random bits. I think the total needs to be 128 bits, so I need to confirm each segment correctly.\n\n**Understanding UUIDv7 structure**\n\nI've figured out the common structure for UUIDv7, which includes a 48-bit Unix timestamp, a 4-bit version, a 12-bit random segment, a 2-bit variant, and a 62-bit additional random part—totally 128 bits. The random bits sum up to 74 bits per UUID. I'm considering whether these bits are independent within the same millisecond. A collision can only happen if they share the same timestamp, making collisions between different milliseconds impossible. So, the collisions can only occur within the same millisecond.\n\n**Calculating UUID collision probability**\n\nIn each burst, generating 10,000 UUIDs means they share the same 48-bit timestamp. Now, to assess collision probability, I need to compute if there’s at least one collision among those 10,000 independent UUIDs, drawn from a space of size 2^74.\n\nThe random bits total is 74, creating a sample size of 2^74 possibilities. Although the UUIDv7 guidance suggests using a monotonic counter to prevent duplicates, I’m leaning toward calculating the probability assuming random independent generation.\n\n**Estimating collision probability**\n\nGenerating 10,000 UUIDs per millisecond is indeed high, but when compared to 2^74 possibilities, the chance of collisions remains extremely low. I can use the birthday bound to approximate the probability of at least one collision. For 10,000 draws from this vast space, the approximate probability is p_ms ≈ n(n-1)/(2N), where n is 10,000 and N is about 1.89e22.\n\nCalculating, I find p per millisecond is about 2.65e-15. Now, with 100 bursts generated per second over three years, I can determine how many bursts that involves!\n\n**Calculating UUID collision likelihood**\n\nEach burst generates 10,000 UUIDs in 1 ms, leading to 100 bursts per second and about 8.64 million bursts each day. Over three years, there are roughly 9.47 billion bursts. The probability of at least one collision per burst is p_b ≈ 2.65e-15, which results in a cumulative probability of about 0.0025% (roughly 1 in 40,000) across many bursts. Since timestamps differ by 10 ms, collisions can't happen between bursts, confirming that our calculations are solid and focused on single-millisecond collisions.\n\n**Summarizing collision probability**\n\nThere's about a 0.0025% chance (approximately 1 in 40,000) of at least one collision over three years, assuming independent and uniformly random 74-bit entropy, with all 10,000 UUIDs generated within the same millisecond. \n\n- UUIDv7 has 74 random bits; collisions only occur within the same millisecond.\n- Using the birthday approximation formula, per burst probability p ≈ 2.65e-15.\n- Total bursts in 3 years: 9.467e9.\n- Overall probability = 1 - (1 - p)^B ≈ Bp ≈ 2.5e-5.\n\nIf UUIDs are generated with monotonic sequences, collision probability can be nearly zero.\n\n</details>\n\nShort answer: About 0.0025% (≈1 in 40,000) chance of at least one collision over three years, under typical assumptions.\n\nWhy:\n- UUIDv7 structure:\n - 48-bit Unix millisecond timestamp + fixed version/variant bits.\n - 74 random bits per UUID within a given millisecond.\n - Collisions can only happen among UUIDs created in the same millisecond; different milliseconds cannot collide.\n- In each burst you create n = 10,000 UUIDs within one millisecond. The sample space size is N = 2^74 ≈ 1.889×10^22.\n- Birthday approximation for a single burst:\n - p_burst ≈ 1 − exp(−n(n−1)/(2N)) ≈ n(n−1)/(2N)\n - p_burst ≈ 49,995,000 / 2^74 ≈ 2.65×10^−15\n- Number of bursts over 3 years:\n - One burst every 10 ms → 100 bursts/s\n - 3 years ≈ 94,670,856 s → B ≈ 9.467×10^9 bursts\n- Overall probability of ≥1 collision over 3 years:\n - P_any ≈ 1 − (1 − p_burst)^B ≈ B · p_burst\n - P_any ≈ 9.467×10^9 × 2.65×10^−15 ≈ 2.5×10^−5 (0.0025%), about 1 in 40,000.\n\nNotes:\n- Some implementations use a monotonic sequence within the same millisecond (across the 74 random bits). If done correctly, this makes intra-ms collisions effectively impossible at your rate.\n- If an implementation only uses a 12-bit sub-millisecond counter (4096 values) without spilling into the rest of the random field or waiting for the next millisecond, generating 10,000 in a single millisecond would overflow that counter—good libraries avoid this by incrementing across the full 74-bit space or throttling.","metadata":{"model":"GPT 5","version":"OpenAI/gpt-5-2025-08-07","speed":"72","tokens":"5,433","cost":"0.06","total_time_second":98.51},"profile":{"id":null,"name":null,"model":"gpt-5","model_name":"GPT 5","model_provider":"openai","model_input_limit":1000000,"scorecard":{"speed":4.0,"accuracy":4.0,"cost":3.0,"context_window":4.0,"privacy":2.0,"description":"OpenAI's latest and greatest model.","recommended":false,"release_date":"2025-08-07"},"model_provider_name":"OpenAI","internet_access":false,"personalizations":true,"lens":{"id":9366,"name":null},"shortcut":null,"is_default_profile":false},"search_query":null,"citations":[],"documents":[]},{"id":"d1c79676-565b-4fa0-abfc-47f291f81d3e","created_at":"2025-08-17T13:26:50Z","state":"done","prompt":"How does the chance of collision change for UUIDv4 for the same scenario?","reply":"<p></p><details><summary>Thinking</summary>\n<p><strong>Calculating UUID collision probability</strong></p>\n<p>I’m trying to find the probability of at least one collision among a total of UUIDs generated over three years. Each burst generates 10,000 UUIDs, with 100 bursts per second, so that’s a million per second. I need to verify the total seconds in three years. The earlier assistant used 94,670,856 seconds, but I should recalculate. I'll consider leap years and check the precise number of seconds for better accuracy. It's a bit tricky!</p>\n<p><strong>Calculating UUIDs over three years</strong></p>\n<p>I’m figuring out the number of seconds in three years, including the upcoming leap year 2028. That means I’ll have a total of 1,096 days, which equals about 94,694,400 seconds. The earlier figure was 94,670,856, but I prefer recalculating it cleanly. So, if I calculate the bursts based on that total, I’ll get about 9.46944 trillion UUIDs generated at a rate of 1 million per second over that time. Now, I've got 2^122 for UUIDs, which is approximately 5.31e36.</p>\n<p><strong>Calculating collision probability</strong></p>\n<p>I'm working on estimating the collision probability using the birthday paradox formula. For m draws of UUIDs, the probability p is roughly 1 - exp(-m(m-1)/(2N)). Since m is much smaller than the square root of 2N, I can simplify it to p ≈ m(m-1)/(2N). With m being approximately 9.46944e13 UUIDs, I calculated m squared to be about 8.966e27. I’m breaking down the multiplication into more manageable parts to get an accurate answer. It’s a bit tricky, but I'll get there!</p>\n<p><strong>Finalizing collision probability</strong></p>\n<p>Alright, I’m summing up my calculations: 4.22496 plus 0.2203739136 equals about 4.4453339136, and adding that to 85.22496 gives roughly 89.6703. This leads to m squared being approximately 8.96703e27. Dividing by N (around 5.316911983e36) gives a probability p of about 8.43e-10, which translates to a 0.000000084% chance. Converting that to a ratio, it’s about 1 in 1.2 billion over three years. That definitely shows UUIDv4 is much safer than v7!</p>\n<p><strong>Analyzing UUID collision probabilities</strong></p>\n<p>I need to ensure my analysis for UUIDv7 includes that collisions can only happen within each millisecond. I've calculated the collision probability p; for v7, it was around 2.65e-15, while for v4 it's approximately 8.4e-10, making v4 roughly 30,000 times safer. I’ll summarize the calculations concisely:</p>\n<ul>\n<li>For m equals approximately 9.47e13 UUIDs over 3 years, N is 2^122.</li>\n<li>The probability for v4 is about 0.000000084%, which is about 1 in 1.2 billion chances of a collision.</li>\n<li>Comparatively, v7 had a collision probability of about 2.5e-5 or 1 in 40,000.</li>\n</ul>\n<p>I’ll also note that random number generator independence matters in realistic scenarios.</p>\n</details>\n<p>Short answer: About 8.4×10^-10 chance (≈0.000000084%), roughly 1 in 1.2 billion over three years.</p>\n<p>Why:</p>\n<ul>\n<li>UUIDv4 has 122 random bits (version and variant fix 6 bits), so the space is N = 2^122 ≈ 5.32×10^36.</li>\n<li>Your total generated UUIDs over three years:\n<ul>\n<li>10,000 per ms burst × 100 bursts/s = 1,000,000/s</li>\n<li>Three years ≈ 94,694,400 s → m ≈ 9.46944×10^13 UUIDs</li>\n</ul>\n</li>\n<li>Birthday approximation for at least one collision:\n<ul>\n<li>p ≈ 1 − exp(−m(m−1)/(2N)) ≈ m(m−1)/(2N)</li>\n<li>p ≈ (9.46944×10^13)^2 / (2 × 2^122) ≈ 8.4×10^−10</li>\n</ul>\n</li>\n</ul>\n<p>Notes:</p>\n<ul>\n<li>Unlike UUIDv7, collisions for UUIDv4 can occur across any time; only the total count matters.</li>\n<li>This is about 30,000× lower collision risk than the UUIDv7 scenario you described (~0.0025%, ≈1 in 40,000).</li>\n<li>Assumes independent, uniform randomness from the generator.</li>\n</ul>","md":"<details><summary>Thinking</summary>\n\n**Calculating UUID collision probability**\n\nI’m trying to find the probability of at least one collision among a total of UUIDs generated over three years. Each burst generates 10,000 UUIDs, with 100 bursts per second, so that’s a million per second. I need to verify the total seconds in three years. The earlier assistant used 94,670,856 seconds, but I should recalculate. I'll consider leap years and check the precise number of seconds for better accuracy. It's a bit tricky!\n\n**Calculating UUIDs over three years**\n\nI’m figuring out the number of seconds in three years, including the upcoming leap year 2028. That means I’ll have a total of 1,096 days, which equals about 94,694,400 seconds. The earlier figure was 94,670,856, but I prefer recalculating it cleanly. So, if I calculate the bursts based on that total, I’ll get about 9.46944 trillion UUIDs generated at a rate of 1 million per second over that time. Now, I've got 2^122 for UUIDs, which is approximately 5.31e36.\n\n**Calculating collision probability**\n\nI'm working on estimating the collision probability using the birthday paradox formula. For m draws of UUIDs, the probability p is roughly 1 - exp(-m(m-1)/(2N)). Since m is much smaller than the square root of 2N, I can simplify it to p ≈ m(m-1)/(2N). With m being approximately 9.46944e13 UUIDs, I calculated m squared to be about 8.966e27. I’m breaking down the multiplication into more manageable parts to get an accurate answer. It’s a bit tricky, but I'll get there!\n\n**Finalizing collision probability**\n\nAlright, I’m summing up my calculations: 4.22496 plus 0.2203739136 equals about 4.4453339136, and adding that to 85.22496 gives roughly 89.6703. This leads to m squared being approximately 8.96703e27. Dividing by N (around 5.316911983e36) gives a probability p of about 8.43e-10, which translates to a 0.000000084% chance. Converting that to a ratio, it’s about 1 in 1.2 billion over three years. That definitely shows UUIDv4 is much safer than v7!\n\n**Analyzing UUID collision probabilities**\n\nI need to ensure my analysis for UUIDv7 includes that collisions can only happen within each millisecond. I've calculated the collision probability p; for v7, it was around 2.65e-15, while for v4 it's approximately 8.4e-10, making v4 roughly 30,000 times safer. I’ll summarize the calculations concisely: \n\n- For m equals approximately 9.47e13 UUIDs over 3 years, N is 2^122.\n- The probability for v4 is about 0.000000084%, which is about 1 in 1.2 billion chances of a collision. \n- Comparatively, v7 had a collision probability of about 2.5e-5 or 1 in 40,000. \n\nI’ll also note that random number generator independence matters in realistic scenarios.\n\n</details>\n\nShort answer: About 8.4×10^-10 chance (≈0.000000084%), roughly 1 in 1.2 billion over three years.\n\nWhy:\n- UUIDv4 has 122 random bits (version and variant fix 6 bits), so the space is N = 2^122 ≈ 5.32×10^36.\n- Your total generated UUIDs over three years:\n - 10,000 per ms burst × 100 bursts/s = 1,000,000/s\n - Three years ≈ 94,694,400 s → m ≈ 9.46944×10^13 UUIDs\n- Birthday approximation for at least one collision:\n - p ≈ 1 − exp(−m(m−1)/(2N)) ≈ m(m−1)/(2N)\n - p ≈ (9.46944×10^13)^2 / (2 × 2^122) ≈ 8.4×10^−10\n\nNotes:\n- Unlike UUIDv7, collisions for UUIDv4 can occur across any time; only the total count matters.\n- This is about 30,000× lower collision risk than the UUIDv7 scenario you described (~0.0025%, ≈1 in 40,000).\n- Assumes independent, uniform randomness from the generator.","metadata":{"model":"GPT 5","version":"OpenAI/gpt-5-2025-08-07","speed":"75","tokens":"4,526","cost":"0.04","total_time_second":107.3},"profile":{"id":null,"name":null,"model":"gpt-5","model_name":"GPT 5","model_provider":"openai","model_input_limit":1000000,"scorecard":{"speed":4.0,"accuracy":4.0,"cost":3.0,"context_window":4.0,"privacy":2.0,"description":"OpenAI's latest and greatest model.","recommended":false,"release_date":"2025-08-07"},"model_provider_name":"OpenAI","internet_access":false,"personalizations":true,"lens":{"id":9366,"name":null},"shortcut":null,"is_default_profile":false},"search_query":null,"citations":[],"documents":[]}]